Curse

sumrtym · Oct 12, 2006, 10:13 PM // 22:13

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Originally Posted by Cybah

isn't it fun to know your weapons are rare? and only a very few people got them too?

Actually, I'm more happy about putting together the look of the character I want, not who else has what. I could care less.

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/cry

prices will fall.... on everything. When you get that gold with perfect mods now it seems it will be nigh worthless.

People talk about the non-farmers and the poor people of the game... screw that

low prices = bad economy

If the prices are low, yeah, you can buy it for cheap... but about the people trying to sell? they get screwed out of their income. There is a reason that the greens that only sell for 10k aren't farmed.

Sums up the anti-inscriptionist viewpoint all too well.

Loviatar · Oct 12, 2006, 10:16 PM // 22:16

to all the rich, elite people who may be wondering at the level of hostility to you.

there are a few decent ones of you but there are far too many of the following example as shown in a post sequence in this very thread.

OP name is deleted but it is still up on this thread.

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Originally Posted by Xxxxx
new salvage option for chapter3 weapons only... and all are happy =)

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Clawdius_Talonious
Not necessarily, imagine people exporting inscriptions from Elona and selling them in Cantha and Tyria... Should those people not be able to use them on any weapon skins from that continent? If not, they may end up paying for something only to discover it's useless to them.

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well.... sure that would be a new newcomer scam, but newcomers cant get scammed because they do not own much money.

Last edited by Xxxxx : Today at 12:53 PM.

that statement shows the level of contempt the elite have for the poor,casual, newcomer to the game.

someone who scratched for 20 hours getting a few plat can lose all of it to a scam for something they really wanted and her response is that no scam occurred because it was too tiny by her standards.

only the rich can be scammed/robbed

believe me when i say that contempt is felt by the other side as well

MSecorsky · Oct 12, 2006, 10:17 PM // 22:17

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Originally Posted by Helcaraxe

/cry

prices will fall.... on everything. When you get that gold with perfect mods now it seems it will be nigh worthless.

People talk about the non-farmers and the poor people of the game... screw that

low prices = bad economy

If the prices are low, yeah, you can buy it for cheap... but about the people trying to sell? they get screwed out of their income. There is a reason that the greens that only sell for 10k aren't farmed.

If everything's "cheap", you don't need much of an income, do you?

Sid Soggybottom · Oct 12, 2006, 10:18 PM // 22:18

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Originally Posted by Akhilleus

the guildwars economy may not blow up in an apocalyptical event, but irreperable damage will almost certainly be done.

How does a virtual economy in a game like Guild Wars get "damaged?" Do people laid off and go hungry? But seriously, the only real "damaged" economy in a gaming world is one where people can't afford things just to play the game as intended.

I'm not saying the economy right now is horrible but how can you people say that lower prices will be devastating? Oh no! People can actually afford stuff! How terrible!

Besides, this isnt about the economy. This is about a better salvaging system. This is about making the game more flexible in it's options. The economy takes a backseat to that.

temp · Oct 12, 2006, 10:22 PM // 22:22

anyone actually got a link of ANet stating this will be implimented?

Sid Soggybottom · Oct 12, 2006, 10:22 PM // 22:22

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Originally Posted by Cybah

isn't it fun to know your weapons are rare? and only a very few people got them too?

I dont give a rat's patootie if my weapons are rare or how many people have them as well. If I like the look and it suits my purposes for my build then that's all I care.

I think it's pretty shallow to only like something because others don't have it.

winkgood · Oct 12, 2006, 10:26 PM // 22:26

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Originally Posted by MSecorsky

Not everyone buys from other players. I don't, for one. If I can't find it, I'll wait until I do. So for many, the 'go buy it' argument fails. Besides, why should that aspect of the game be denied to me... the hoarding of certain found mods and inscriptions with the dreams of constructing the ideal weapon myself rather than buy it from someone that had the fun? Why prevent that level of diversity?

I don't like to join pugs and don't pvp enough with my guild. I bought the game, so why isn't the phoenix emote available to me? Why should this aspect of the game be denied to me? I don't want to have to grind for emotes.

I don't like to interact with pugs but I want to get Urgoz's bows. Why should I be denied them. Just because I don't grind for hours through elite missions or pay for ferrys to Urgoz doesn't mean I don't deserve to own Urgoz bows.

/end of sarcasm

Your argument makes as little sense as my two arguments about emotes and urgoz bows. Your idea of promoting diversity means giving things to people that haven't earned them.

Akhilleus · Oct 12, 2006, 10:34 PM // 22:34

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Originally Posted by MSecorsky

I'm inclined to believe that I enjoy the game more, however, by not worrying about such trivialities as an imaginary economy.

i worry about the people the "imaginary economy" (and you can ignore it or pretend it doesnt exist, but it does) will effect.

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Originally Posted by sumrtym

Your self stated 6 month shield search. Put that into context with my above. Stop acting like a wiseass and actually respond to my points. You know they're valid.
Your whole oppsition comes down to your own "location" moniker: If it ain't expensive, it ain't worth buyin'. Stop pretending your interested in anything but you, you, you.

A: its not an impossible goal.
there have been ones out there, other people just nabbed them before me. however, if i wait long enough, i will have one. its just a matter of patience, something many people do not possess, unfortunatly.
my saying of "if it aint expensive, it aint worth buyin" as an economical paradigm of the fact that items of high demand, desireability and rarity naturally cost more. so, by definition, if you want something that (at least by a socio-economic standpoint) is "valuable" it is going to cost you money. items of low desireability or quality, however, are inexpensive. hence the statement.

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Originally Posted by Sid Soggybottom

I I think it's pretty shallow to only like something because others don't have it.

my favorite sword skin in the game, is a wingblade.
dont believe me? ask anyone whose ever seen me play pve, 99% of the time the swords i will be wielding are a wingblade, or a longsword, 2 of the more common skins.
the only rarer skin i actually really like, is that of the brute sword, because it goes well with FoW armor. my most expensive sword, is probably my least used.
i like items because of their skin, but i hold complete collections, because thats the point of a collection. which is the reason why i possess as many item skins as i can, regardless of my personal taste for them.
some have taken longer to aquire than others, and ive accepted that time discrepancy as the price for obtaining vanity skins.

Sid Soggybottom · Oct 12, 2006, 10:39 PM // 22:39

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Originally Posted by winkgood

I don't like to join pugs and don't pvp enough with my guild. I bought the game, so why isn't the phoenix emote available to me? Why should this aspect of the game be denied to me? I don't want to have to grind for emotes.

Another horrible analogy. Weapons and mods are part of gameplay. Emotes are NOT. Try again.

Zehnchu · Oct 12, 2006, 10:43 PM // 22:43

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Originally Posted by Jetdoc

In other words - ask yourself - how many people that have fellblades right now actually went out and farmed until they got the one they wanted? 99.9% of the people that have them bought them from other players.

That’s rather I high number to speculate about. Since we know that each player will play the game how they see fit. There is a percentage of people who have to have the weapon they want and will do what ever it takes to achieve that. But you can just stop there, you have to consider the percentage of people who want to earn the weapon of choice by going out and getting it, add in those who only go for the item for its vale and going after it with the sole purpose increase their wealth. Don’t forget to add in those who don’t have enough gold to obtain items of choice. It’s rather quite complex once you sit down and think about.

Honestly if the new salvage options make you quit your goals in which you set yourself then that’s really a personal thing. Considering that it’s something totally about choice and no one what so ever it forcing people use the new salvage options. Secondly if you are going after the item for your own benefit and then it shouldn’t bug you what what other people chose to do. However its disguised it is more then likely people who have the high end rarest of the rare would see this a threat because they at some point will be willing to sell the long term goal item and they fell that they won’t get the value at which they think it’s worth, once again proving that it’s a personal thing.
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There’s more to the economy then players trading players. If a million players don’t buy from you at the price you want what is it really going to affect if the same million people still don’t buy from you.

MSecorsky · Oct 12, 2006, 10:48 PM // 22:48

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Originally Posted by winkgood

I don't like to join pugs and don't pvp enough with my guild. I bought the game, so why isn't the phoenix emote available to me? Why should this aspect of the game be denied to me? I don't want to have to grind for emotes.

I don't like to interact with pugs but I want to get Urgoz's bows. Why should I be denied them. Just because I don't grind for hours through elite missions or pay for ferrys to Urgoz doesn't mean I don't deserve to own Urgoz bows.

/end of sarcasm

Your argument makes as little sense as my two arguments about emotes and urgoz bows. Your idea of promoting diversity means giving things to people that haven't earned them.

Don't be absurd. Emotes are a purely PvP thing from the very start and always have been. You want one, you PvP for fame or whatever and eventually get one. Urgoz bow is a different story. It's a skin. You can get weapons with the exact same stats, but like every other skin, if you want one you need to go find it (or someone that already did). That's a whole different animal than an enhanced salvage capability. Take Platinum Bows, for example. If you want the skin, you will still need to find one or (shudder) buy one. However, it harms no one if, upon finding one, you can enhance it to the mods/inscriptions of your choice.

MSecorsky · Oct 12, 2006, 10:49 PM // 22:49

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Originally Posted by Akhilleus

i worry about the people the "imaginary economy" (and you can ignore it or pretend it doesnt exist, but it does) will effect.

How?! How is anyone in any way possibly harmed by me having the added flexibility the enhanced salvage will provide?

winkgood · Oct 12, 2006, 10:54 PM // 22:54

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Originally Posted by Sid Soggybottom

Another horrible analogy. Weapons and mods are part of gameplay. Emotes are NOT. Try again.

Weapons and mods are part of gameplay, skins are not. Hence collector items and greens fullfill this area. Rare skins are for vanity, just like emotes.

Try again.

P.S. If you are unhappy with the current availablility of mod combinations on greens and collector items, then ask Anet for more of them in Nightfall.

Lawnmower · Oct 12, 2006, 11:07 PM // 23:07

im by no means rich... I had to beg for money to afford 15k for god sakes. i dont got a single gold right now.

but still.. i sort of enjoy the feeling that there are really rare items out there, and people with alot of money. it makes me feel like a little fish in a big ocean, full fo wonder.

just because i will never have it, it does not mean i cant appreciate it in the larger spectrum of things.

am i a fan of hardcore grinding and stuff? no.

i still wish though that they would create may more mods. maybe stuff like, "+15% damage while attacking a moving target", or "20+ armor if attacked by more than 3 enemies at the same time".

I miss more rare and diverse mods, and more rare skins. i mean ultra rare skins. I do not like the idea that everything will be easily achiveable.

getting max armor and weapons does not take long. getting collector stuff is enough. a superior vigor and certain runes, i can agree with it, can be a bit pricey for the casual gamer. But in generel... in generel nothing of this have to do with significant power.

if people are afraid of scams, i think the game should try to inform ppl better. also about the attribute quests or titan quests.. how many people even know these are in the game? not many i bet. And I know why - Because of poor feedback.

when a newbie starts playing he/she got no idea what a good weapon is. hence why all noobs think its a good idea to pay 200 plat for a sundering fiery sword...

i miss colour and more diversity. I like the idea of some stuff being rare. I dont think life would be very much fun if everyone looked the same or wore the same cloths.

In GW no one have to have the same build. the combinations are almost limitlessly. it would take a player to copy another player intensionaly to get the same effect.

it would be so sweet if armors, facial features, dye and weapons and weapon mods could be just as diverse.

Franco · Oct 12, 2006, 11:16 PM // 23:16

And after 66 pages the score is

Anti-Inscriptions = Worried about the game balance and the way people will get certain items in this game and that it will be very hard for newcomers to enjoy one of the few roleplaying experience of having goals to achieve such as collecting rare weapons.

People that want inscriptions = I WANT A ZODIAC 15^50 NOW NOW, STFU U ALREADY HAVE ONE SO YOUR OPINION DOESNT COUNT AND I DONT CARE IF YOU HAVE ONE I HAVE AS MUCH RIGHT TO HAVE ONE BECAUSE I BOUGHT THE GAME TOO.

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xD flame away.

MSecorsky · Oct 12, 2006, 11:21 PM // 23:21

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Originally Posted by Franco

And after 66 pages the score is

Anti-Inscriptions = Worried about the game balance and the way people will get certain items in this game and that it will be very hard for newcomers to enjoy one of the few roleplaying experience of having goals to achieve such as collecting rare weapons.

People that want inscriptions = I WANT A ZODIAC 15^50 NOW NOW, STFU U ALREADY HAVE ONE SO YOUR OPINION DOESNT COUNT AND I DONT CARE IF YOU HAVE ONE I HAVE AS MUCH RIGHT TO HAVE ONE BECAUSE I BOUGHT THE GAME TOO.
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xD flame away.

That is such a highly inaccurate assessment it barely is worth the effort to type a flame. So I won't.

The Anti-inscriptionists are not concerned with balance. Salvaging inscriptions promotes balance by increasing the availability of mods that everyone has available. They are merely worried that their personal fortunes will somehow diminish in value, as though there is a real value to them.

The Pro-inscriptionists simply (from my perspective, at least) like the idea of being able to mix and match weapons parts to create the weapons of choice. The beauty is in weapons not beign destroyed when items are salvaged from them in addition to being able to salvage specific mods or inscriptions. It promotes greater gameplay and diversity.

To date, no one will answer as to what harm there could possibly be in me being able to shuffle mods around between my weapons creating the ones I want.

seut · Oct 12, 2006, 11:25 PM // 23:25

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Originally Posted by MSecorsky

If everything's "cheap", you don't need much of an income, do you?

-most skills cost 1k (don't remember after buying how many)
-basic max armor 1.5k plus materials per piece (ok, affordable)
-crafter items are 5k and 10k plus materials (unfortunately not everything accessible through collectors)
-superior vigors were always above 25k during factions and now above 40k, because everybody is preparing for NF (haven't one dropping since march and i play a lot)
-15k armors are 15k plus materials per piece

Ok, 15k armor is a vanity item, but for everything else i would prefer a higher income..

Franco · Oct 12, 2006, 11:47 PM // 23:47

lol if they are already rich why would they be worried that their weapons would lose a bit of value ?

If I already had 5 million i dont think id care if my sword lost 20k in value :S.

Sid Soggybottom · Oct 12, 2006, 11:50 PM // 23:50

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Originally Posted by winkgood

Weapons and mods are part of gameplay, skins are not. Hence collector items and greens fullfill this area. Rare skins are for vanity, just like emotes.

Try again.

P.S. If you are unhappy with the current availablility of mod combinations on
greens and collector items, then ask Anet for more of them in Nightfall.

Inscriptions are not strictly just so that people can get rare skins. It's just a better salvaging option, period.

Corwin_Andros · Oct 12, 2006, 11:55 PM // 23:55

One quick thought. As far as my recollection goes, whenever ANet has introduced new items, or modified things on items... Items already in existence were not effected, unless completely yanked wholesale from the game, including players' stashes. I might be wrong about this having taken a bit of a break for a few months, but this is how it's been as far as I can remember.

Should they follow in that tradition with inscriptions, then come Nightfall, weapons and things with the new inscriptions will start dropping (hopefully in all 3 lands), but all of our old weapons will be kinda stuck with what they have on them now as far as inherents go. That would mean they would still salvage to either a mod (maybe still random) or materials. I doubt that all of the weapons we now possess will suddenly have they inherants turned into inscriptions.

If that were the case, all of these rare pre-inscription, rare golds... especially the "perfect" ones, might actually see an increase in value because we may never see their like again and they would be true prizes for the hardcore collector. Granted I'd hope that there would be a way to tell the difference such as "+15^50(inscription)" in the text. Besides, who is to say that EVERY weapon will have inscriptions? We might get a mix of the regular old fashioned ones and the new inscripted weapons just like we get now.

The important thing is we JUST DON"T KNOW yet. Personally I think it would be just dandy if we had a mix. Inscribed items and "naturally" perfect items. Then there would be something in it for everyone with no particular downside for anyone. Would something like that satisfy both camps in this raging nightmare of a thread??

In keeping with my own thoughts about current weapons not being suddenly changed when NF or the inscription system goes live, all I've held aside for now is a perfectly clean, max dmg, req 7 Fellblade (white of course)..

Just some food for thought, given what I remember of the way they have implimented changes to items in the past. Any other thoughts along this line?

As for my feelings on the inscription thing in the first place. I like the idea for it's flexibility in weapons creation and the flexibility it will allow me in my builds. I'd prefer not to have to pour tons of attribute points to get the full benifit of a higher req weapon unless I was a Warrior and it was my primary anyhow. For the most part I tend to go with functionality over how pretty it is, but hang on tight to the things I think look really nice. But honestly I would rather be able to have a skin I like seeing with a decent req and mods given the choice, but see absolutely no sense in paying 100k+ 8 full stacks of ectos for anything.. ever. I have better things to spend money on.

For the ones that do so for whatever reason, have at itand and good luck to you in your quest for millions and leetness. With any luck you'll still get to play Merchant Prince/Princess and be happy while the rest of us will finally be able to enjoy the game to a more full extent ourselves.

As far as the economy goes, the only thing that would really change is in the weapons/offhand market.. everything I buy from the merchant would cost exactly the same, and the stuff from the item traders would do what they always have done. The rest would adjust in time and the ones that enjoy wheeling and dealing will still be able to do that in some form or fashion.